Its a stalemate on power but fusion with portal earrings lasts indefinite ultimately favoring Vegeto. He battles his evil clone and sometimes he even is the hero of the day. Like holy hell, this is crazy in the best way!! Why you’ll ask me, ’cause it was stated, shortly after the release of the Broly movie that Gogeta is as strong as his ‘bro’. A top evolution form of the saiyans. As a Super Saiyan 4, Gogeta is 400,000. we see gogeta as a super saiyan yet not a ss3 even though goku could become ss3, where as if they had the potara earrings and became vegito they would be immensely more powerfull because goku could unlock the power of ss3 without actually becoming one. Why you’ll ask me, ’cause it was stated, shortly after the release of the Broly movie that Gogeta is as strong as his ‘bro’. vegeto stomp...Potara Earring > Fusion Dance...that's a fact.. I understand that, but ssj4 vegito still would lose. His DNA was used along with his potara counterpart vegito to create Bowen. So 28105 x 198 million = 5 trillion units at the start of the Buu arc and then, there were 3 boosts during this saga, so 33 x 5 trillion = 183 trillion. Gohan at this point was more powerful than I think anybody else, now in Buu. Not my fault that u don't have an ounce of it, Logical? Ssj4 Gogeta vs Ssjb Gogeta and Ssjb Vegito Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Gogeta is a little bit more powerful than Vegito Blue Kaiokenx20, period. oops messed up there i dont know how to spell metamoran, vegito doesnt need ssj4 to beat gogeta,all he needs is ssj1 well not even that. with would still put them ahead by a nice margen. Actually the two fusions are not far off depending on the subjects. This is probably one of the most intense sprite animations I've seen!! 3. Sell custom creations to people who love your style. Nope, u buffoon, SSJ4 Gogeta is WAY more powerful than SSB Vegito… case in point Goku (& Vegeta for that matter), at the end of the Frieza/Namek arc, Goku w/out SSJ1 is 3.000.000 units. O and Astner is right I don't understand why you people keep saying that the Potara is x amount times stronger? In reply to the above: However, given that anime series' non-canonical status, it is unclear if this is official. I don't know about that one, but I believe it did. So Goku trained for 15 years, between Z & GT, during the 1st 10 years it’s likely that he (& the other Z fighters) got 2 Zenkais/day, w/ is 22 (2x11), so it’s 10x365 = 3650, x22 it comes out as 80300, & then he goes training Uub intensively for 5 straight years, an estimation of 4 Zenkais/day is fair, so it is 44 x 1825 (‘cause 5x365=1825), w/ is 80300 (again). SSJ4 is commonly attributed a 10x boost on the prior max power (so SSJ3).. Fusion is now stated as their combined powers multiplied "tens" of times. So Goku trained for 15 years, between Z & GT, during the 1st 10 years it’s likely that he (& the other Z fighters) got 2 Zenkais/day, w/ is 22 (2x11), so it’s 10x365 = 3650, x22 it comes out as 80300, & then he goes training Uub intensively for 5 straight years, an estimation of 4 Zenkais/day is fair, so it is 44 x 1825 (‘cause 5x365=1825), w/ is 80300 (again). The guys didn't even last ten minutes which is SSJ4 Gogeta's limit. Yes, as SSJ4 Gogeta is WAY more powerful than SSB Vegito… case in point Goku (& Vegeta for that matter), at the end of the Frieza/Namek arc, Goku w/out SSJ1 is 3.000.000 units. A Zenkai Boost is either 10,5 or 11x the original strength of the Sayian, & during the Android/Cell arc there were at least 6 Zenkais, 6x11 is 66, so it’s 3 million x 66 which is 198 million units 4 base Goku, at the end of this saga. the time difference between shenron and buu in a good amount of time witch means goku and vegeta also would have increased their powers greatly. Super Saiyan 4 is a formed obtained from Oozaru. Also the potara gives a power boost for rivals which is not stated for the dance. As a Super Saiyan, Gogeta is a 5,000. Vegito and (SSJ4) Gogeta are the strongest people in DB/Z/GT and a (SSJ3) Vegito would totally destroy SSJ4 Goku. Is this movie or hypothetical canon Gogeta? Then things get a little more complicated, I’ll do Vegito first: so, after gaining SSG (which is a boost of x800K, to base power, ’cause the 5 Saiyans who give their most powerful aura (yeah, it’s a highball 4 Vegito)) so 183 trillion x 800K = 147 quintillions, x50 for SSB is 7,3 sextillions. Where is this info from, or like Astner said is it just speculations. Who is more powerful in battle, Dragon Ball Z Super Vegetto vs. Super Saiyan 4 Goku from Dragon Ball GT. now look at ss4 gogeta, their powers must be identical meaning goku could not use his full strength even though he was still more powerfull than vegeta, and if they used potara fusion is everlasting and limitless in terms of their individual power. SSJ4 Vegito is A What if Character Meaning What if Goku and Vegeta used the Potara Fusion to Fight Omega Shenron Being A Fusion of 2 Super Saiyan 4"s Vegito"s Powers are Increased By 10% Unlike Gogeta He Didnt Fool Around when Fused and Easily Beat Omega Shenron in Battle He Used the 100X Final Kamehameha To Make Omega Shenron Spit Out the Dragon Balls Making him Revert back into … Don't make me laugh, if you seriously believe those random numbers you pulled out of your ass, your IQ is below 0, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1hYJntH9Gw&t=148s, Huh, guess he indeed must’ve fucked off, good riddance. At base form Gogeta is 100. 80300 x 2 =160600, so we do this x 183 trillion (end of Buu Saga remember) & that’s 29 quintillions, for BASE GT Goku ONLY, so then u redo 29 quintillions x itself & obtains 8,7x10^(38). To put it in short, it's been proven SSGSSS or SSB Vegito is stronger by monstrous leagues. The Fusion Dance requires the two users to be at an equal level of power. You're just parroting him. (SSJ1 or 2?) SSj3 Vegito would be way to powerful for SSj4 Gogeta This is the best argument and was exactly what I was thinking. So 2 * 20-99. SSJ4 drains fusion time more than SSB (believe it or not). The craziest, ultimate fight happens between SSJ4 Vegito and the ultimate villain as the red volcanic planet crumbles (Again, DBS Broly got really close to my dream), but then SSJ4 vegito defuses. Gogeta (ゴジータ Gojīta) appears in Dragon Ball AF, even reaching Super Saiyan 5. well ssj5 vegito is from dragon ball absalon and ssj5 goku and vegeta are from dbaf, Vegito blue drains 1 hour fusion in 5-8 minutes, this is really good artwork, and i like that you used the tournament of power for the background, nice work, https://aminoapps.com/c/dragonballz/page/blog/the-greatest-highballed-scale-for-dragonball-gt/vdNT_nuwexqZ7XM8n2w5b73dp4jxGBm, https://pm1.narvii.com/7211/c3b9895323aec2ec1270f631b05cd1cbb53e769fr1-480-353v2_hq.jpg, https://pm1.narvii.com/7211/cb777edf07d29a4057f048c7232cb088756878d7r1-480-352v2_hq.jpg, https://pm1.narvii.com/7211/cd7b744cf018477a8f23133d03d7e04dcf572b88r1-480-356v2_hq.jpg, https://pm1.narvii.com/7211/e6768d9b70552c0895297cf12914307c94e4d7ear1-480-353v2_hq.jpg. 80300 x 2 =160600, so we do this x 183 trillion (end of Buu Saga remember) & that’s 29 quintillions, for BASE GT Goku ONLY, so then u redo 29 quintillions x itself & obtains 8,7x10^(38). Vegito - potara fusion is canonically stronger than regular fusion and doesn't have a time limit. I believe it was the elder kai correct me if I'm wrong that stated the ring fusion is stronger. If either isn't true than Goku wins BloodRain already ended it months ago. I pulled nothing out of my ass, cretin. SSB Vegito lasted about 40 minutes going by Shin's timer (out of his 60 minute time period) whereas SSJ4 Gogeta only lasted 10 minutes out of his 30 minute period. If either side is a stomp then add in Omega Shenron to the side that would be stomped. OK, now I'll give my opinion. Upload your creations for people to see, favourite and share. Vegito hands down!! Without him stating its a stronger form that 'better' would only attest to the time issue the Dance has. Super announced a new information about Vegito that his form is only lasts for an hour but at SSB it was not an hour at all either, actually SSB Vegito defused more quickly than SSJ4 Gogeta. Although I have heard that in terms of strength Gogeta SSJ4 is considered the strongest being in the series, I think … Yeah, don't think so, he'd be lucky enough to be Universal, Vegito Blue would be the one that's more likely Multiversal XD, so i won't deal with it you Moron, of course he is even GT Goku base form is a universe buster he shaked the whole hell just by powering up a bit and I hope you knows that the hell is big as the universe. This form is pretty powerful. Experiment with DeviantArt’s own digital drawing tools. Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links. I think Vegeto ssj3 is not far from Gogeta ssj4. This gives a 4000x multiplier of ssj3. Add this together for the fusion (20x) and multiply it by "tens" of times and we have a multiplier range for a SSJ4 fusion of 400-2000x SSJ3. See more ideas about dragon ball, dragon ball super, gogeta and vegito. This means that the numbers don't come from nowhere. SSJ3 Vegito FTW! You didn't "end" the discussion. Goku seems not to be aware of it, and Im sure the people … There is no canonical formula for either fusion. Lol, your the buffoon, all that Math you did, it’s nothing but your head cannon, also, back then, Fusion Dance wasn’t the same multiplier as Potara, the GT Perfect Files state SSJ4 Gogeta is Tens or Dozens of Times stronger then a Normal SSJ4, I go off of feats, SSJ4 Gogeta was able to nullify Omega’s Minus Energy Ball Which was going to gradually destroy the Universe in a short period of time, since Elder Kai said they wouldn’t be spared, While Beerus, whom was Heavily Suppressed to BoG Arc SSJ God Goku’s Level, was able to nullify an Attack that was going to destroy the Mortal Universe, the Afterlife (Heaven and Hell), the Demon Realm and the Kaioshin Realm located outside the Universe pretty much instantly and turn it into Nothing, so DBS characters at the end of the first Arc already had a feat comparable to SSJ4 Gogeta, if not superior, Goku then absorbs SSJ God’s Power into his Base and both him and Vegeta train with Whis for Months leading out to RoF, Base Goku and Base Vegeta at that point scale above the SSJ God Goku and Heavily Suppressed Beerus from the previous Arc, Goku and Vegeta can then stack SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3 (Obviously only for Goku), SSJ God and SSJ Blue (which is SSJ God going SSJ) on top of their already insane Base forms, then later on, SSJ Blue Vegeta grew in power to the point that he beat Rose Goku Black down and he received an adaptation boost that made him Surpassed Kaioken x10 Blue Goku from the previous Arc, meaning Vegeta and possibly Goku had increased their power over 10x since RoF and are 10x stronger then God Goku from BoG in their Base forms at least, Then both fuse into Vegito, Base Vegito already surpasses Blue Goku and Blue Vegeta, then Vegito can stack SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJ God and SSJ Blue on top of his Base that already surpasses SSJ Blue Goku and SSJ Blue Vegeta XD, so no, SSJ Blue Vegito is the one that’s MUCH stronger then SSJ4 Gogeta, You are the buffoon, idiot, it's not my fault that ur IQ is below 0 (in other words, in the negatives), it's not headcanon, u shit it's LOGIC! The only thing given si that potara is stronger. Gogeta then wins but feels bad that he won in such a lame way. One outclassed their opponent while the other kept up to par before defeating them. It's been stated by the Kais that Potara >>>> dance. SSJ4 Gogeta? Although they are made in the very same way, Gogeta has personality traits that are different from Vegito, though it is impossible to tell which counterparts' personality is the dominant one. Haven't seen the fight, but is it as one sided as SSJ Vegito vs. Buuhan or SSJ4 Gogeta vs. Omega Shenron? It makes SSJ4 Gogeta comparable to SSB Vegito Besides that SSB Vegito cant handle Zamasu Black such easy as SSJ4 Gogeta handled Omega Shenron. Gogeta didn’t even break a sweat or seemed like he went anywhere close to being all out. So 28105 x 198 million = 5 trillion units at the start of the Buu arc and then, there were 3 boosts during this saga, so 33 x 5 trillion = 183 trillion. ... GT had similarly established that energy consumption could shorten Metamoran fusion, with Goku unable to sustain his Super Saiyan 4 form to continue the fusion with Vegeta. The Perfect Files, volume 2 I believe, states that SSJ4 Gogeta is a few dozen times stronger than a SSJ4. re: SSJ3 Vegito vs SSJ4 Gogeta Personally I feel rivals boost is a Potara thing only. In the case with Goku and Vegeta, this means that Goku would have to power down before being able to fuse effectively, and even then they'd hae to be in perfect sync. While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. No, vegeto ssj3 IS stronger than Gogeta ssj4. And since ssj4 multiplayer is unknown, even without the potara earrings ssj4 Gogeta could actually still be far stronger than ssjb Vegito because of … Since we never see SS4 Gogeta its hard to tell who would be stronger. Uhh no. Where is the evidence to support your claim? As the SSJ4 boost is 1.600.000 times base (‘cause Oozaru is 10 & SSJ is 50 + it’s likely that a x8 boost is applied when a Saiyan pass from Golden Oozaru to SSJ4, which comes as 4000 & 4000 x 400 is 1.600.000): 160000 x 8,7x10^(38) = 1,4x10^(45). Gogeta Vs. Vegito: Which Dragon Ball Fusion Form is Stronger? SSJ4 Gogeta is WAY more powerful than SSB Vegito… case in point Goku (& Vegeta for that matter), at the end of the Frieza/Namek arc, Goku w/out SSJ1 is 3.000.000 units. I'm not sure what the first part of that has anything to do with what I posted or how that can't be countered with them powering up /after/ fusing. Share your thoughts, experiences and the tales behind the art. All this is from the GT Perfect Files & is backed up by the series itself, so it's not "a wank made by the creators", like some people say it supposedly """is"""... proofs: https://pm1.narvii.com/7211/c3b9895323aec2ec1270f631b05cd1cbb53e769fr1-480-353v2_hq.jpg , https://pm1.narvii.com/7211/cb777edf07d29a4057f048c7232cb088756878d7r1-480-352v2_hq.jpg , https://pm1.narvii.com/7211/cd7b744cf018477a8f23133d03d7e04dcf572b88r1-480-356v2_hq.jpg , https://pm1.narvii.com/7211/e6768d9b70552c0895297cf12914307c94e4d7ear1-480-353v2_hq.jpg so it should be, at least 10K (bruits wave amount multiplied) x 50; 10K x 400 (ssj3 multiplier, 'cause Baby Vegeta Golden Oozaru had his SSJ3 hair) or what I first said (10K x 500). Turns out, they used too much power, and they can't even go Blue. Vegetto Blue beats the crap out of Gogeta but defuses into base Goku and base Vegeta. SSJ4 Goku is at least 10x SSJ Vegetto. I'd rely on that more than the online scans since those are pretty ass. In Dragon Ball GT, Goku and Vegeta fused into Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta so this will be a first for the anime.After seeing a new Vegito form in Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken Vegito… Sorry to end this little discussion but if you would actually think about the difference between potara earring fusion and the fusion dance technique, you would realize that with potara they may fuse regardless of power level difference, (for example SS4 Goku could fuse with krillin) where as the fusion dance their power levels must be identical so if were talking about buu saga goku could only fuse with vegeta as a ss2 meaning gogeta could then only become a ss2 much like the movie fusion reborn. Ssjb Vegito was taking damage from zamasu here and there. Gogeta 4 can destroy with a single finger a Multiverse that means he would not only destroy Vegito, he would destroy the whole DBS verse with his finger. Now onto Gogeta, first things first, Metamol Dance & Potara earrings are EQUALS! And since his appearances have been limited and short, it is difficult to tell if his personality is a separate one, or a composite of both Goku and Vegeta, although at Super Saiyan 4 it seems that his personality is like that of Vegito (which leans more tow… Why have I never seen this before?? [ The anime comics for Dragon Ball GT: A Hero's Legacy states that Super Vegito is perhaps even stronger than a Super Saiyan 4 (Goku was the only Super Saiyan 4 at the time the anime comics was released ] So, Goku at Super Saiyan 4 can probably compete with Super Vegito and they are in the … If it was SB2 and it's movie Gogeta than this would be a close match. Gogeta is a little bit more powerful than Vegito Blue Kaiokenx20, period. akira toyriama said that vegito is the strongest charecter in dragon ball z Next comes the 7-year ellipsis, assuming both Goku & Vegeta trained hard every day, let’s say they got 1 boost per day, which is 7 x 365 (number of days in a year) = 2555 days, 2555 x 11 = 28105. SSJ4 Gogeta is WAY more powerful than SSB Vegito… case in point Goku (& Vegeta for that matter), at the end of the Frieza/Namek arc, Goku w/out SSJ1 is 3.000.000 units. Well anyone who Knows DBZ would know that ssj4 gogeta would win.For one ssj4 gogeta is ten times stronger than ss2 vegito and ssj4 vegito is still weeker that goget ssj4, plus in that 30 min ssj4 gogeta would end it in 15 min! Technically since SS4 vegito doesn't exist in an continuity, we don't know what he's capable of. GT may not be canon, but SSJ4 Vegito doesn't even exist. Ur too dumb, I'm ending this conversation, fuck off now! SSJ4 Vegito and SSJ4 Gogeta vs Thanos For the purpose of this fight Gogeta has no time limit. So get dunked on! Then (Dreams beings dreams again), the plot somehow changed to Goku vs. Vegeta as the last battle and SSJ4 Vegeta actually beats SSJ4 Red hair Goku. Well anyone who Knows DBZ would know that ssj4 gogeta would win.For one ssj4 gogeta is ten times stronger than ss2 vegito and ssj4 vegito is still weeker that goget ssj4, plus in that 30 min ssj4 gogeta would end it in 15 min! SSB is terrible weak like everything else from this shitty parody show, Shaking Hell doesn't make Base Goku Universal XD, Beerus nullified an attack that was going to destroy the Mortal Universe, the Entire Afterlife (Hell AND Heaven) and the Kaioshin Realm located outside the Macrocosm while he was Suppressed to BoG God Goku level, SSJ4 Gogeta nullified Omega's Attack that was also going to destroy the Universe over time, So BoG God Goku and Heavily Suppressed Beerus also have a feat that's comparable to SSJ4 Gogeta, if not stronger, Base Goku also gathered Energy throughout the Universe and that was capable of one shotting Omega, while SSJ4 Gogeta couldn't one shot Omega with a Big Bang Kamehameha, Goku and Vegeta then surpassed that same God Goku and Suppressed Beerus from BoG in their Base forms during RoF, then can stack SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3 (Only for Goku obviously) God again and then SSJ Blue which is SSJ God going SSJ, Then Prior to the ToP, Goku overpowered a stronger Hit without using Kaioken, meaning Goku and Vegeta both had gotten over 10x stronger since RoF, meaning Base Goku and Vegeta are over 10x stronger then BoG God Goku and Suppressed Beerus and over 10x Macrocosm/Low Multiversal level, then Base Vegito scales above the Blue Goku and Blue Vegeta that scale above Kaioken x10 Blue Goku that fought Hit, then Vegito can stack SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, God and Blue on top of his Base lol, Also, "Shitty Parody Show" right XD, GT is more a parody then Super is, Super is actually Canon, while GT is just a Non Canon side story, also, Super in terms of ratings has done better then GT, not to mention has over twice the amount of episodes, also, Blue and God make SSJ4 look pathetically weak in comparison, at least the God forms don't turn Goku into a Furry. 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