And we've seen him do it with extreme ease. ... TC always insists SSB Fusions are weaker as a whole in the franchise and REREAD the title. and how Goku said full power Broly is “maybe” stronger than Beerus. [–]armchair_science 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (1 child). Be nice and we'll respond in kind. I think team 2 can take it mainly because of Jiren. No, never, not even remotely close. 1 Attack Dialogues 1.1 Super Attacks 2 Match Dialogues 2.1 Sparking 2.2 Team Dialogues 2.3 Match Reset 2.4 Shenron 3 Miscellaneous Dialogues 3.1 Character Selection 3.2 Intro 3.3 Victory 3.4 Results Screen 4 Navigation An asterisk (*) detonates that character has two different lines. But we've never had an accurate scale for it. Include detail when posting. in the V jump magazine it was stated that mastered ultra instinct goku MIGHT have surpassed beerus. [–]armchair_science 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (0 children). The only thing ultra instinct has over beerus is speed and the auto dodge hax, even then jiren was able to bypass that for a moment due to his strength being absolute and all that shit. He was even ready to erase Goku at one point, without the need to even power up. [–]TheShrubberyDemander 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago (14 children). we know that jiren is stronger than belmod but even belmod is weaker than beerus, it wouldn't be right to say jiren would also be stronger than beerus. No one expects you to be a genius when it comes to every aspect of every character. Was that confirmed? See this post for details. Not an easy match up for Gogeta. Brolly who is stated to be stronger or close to Beerus in power, got treated like a child having a tantrum by Gogeta. 483. Distasteful posts for the sake of being "edgy". He wasn't even scared by Broly's power, to the point where he just chilled with Bulla all day. [Star Wars]General Grevious is made out of pure Beskar. Is Gogeta strong enough to take out the GoD? Disruptive gimmick accounts will be first warned then removed. According to what we know right now, Gogeta would probably stomp. Even Beerus can’t get Ultra Instinct correctly. Posts with no details or specifications whatsoever. Jiren is confirmed stronger than Belmod, there’s no confirmation on where Belmod ranks among the rest of the GoDs, Beerus could still be stronger. Posts must be some form of battle, competition, or challenge or they are considered off-topic/META and should go in our weekly off-topic discussion posts. Always admit it up front if you're unfamiliar with a character. Yes because arm wrestles are a lot different than an actual fight and when Beerus refuted it was actually a lot calmer than how he’d react if it wasn’t true. Beerus is all hype and weird percentages regarding his power. Lol at him soloing. Beerus isn't 2-C because he cannot destroy 2 universes alone. Beerus using UI is not canon, the fight of the Gods of Destruction battle royale was not canon, in the anime they never stated whether Beerus can use Ultra Instinct … Regardless, Jiren has far better showings imo. Meta posts, multi-part tournaments, and other non-conventional posts require mod approval. Beerus literally stopped the destruction afterwards. He can dodge all of Gogeta's attacks, and he can one shot him with Hakai. Failure to treat your fellow users with respect can lead to a warning or ban. Jiren before he went Limit Breaker was already stronger than Belmod, who might not be as strong as Beerus, but it still says alot. Goku said Broly is probably stronger than Beerus during their final meeting. [–]SSG_Goten 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (4 children). [–]Jamano-Eridzander 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children). Give ssj gogeta who already is ssb goku and vegeta the boost all the way up to ssb and he stomps. Since Goku himself was nowhere near Beerus’ level of power even at his strongest form at the time which was SSBKKX20 and we both saw what happened when that form of Goku clashed with someone who was stated to be at the realm of the gods of destruction needless to say he didn’t fair very well. Spoilers - : [Text Text Text](#spoil "Hidden text"), Mobile-Friendly Spoilers - How to input: [Spoil](/s "text"), MegaMeta - Compilation of Approved [Meta] Posts, Character of the Week/Team of the Month Archive. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. It makes no difference when going up against Jiren now. Team 1. Whis makes another statement in the anime saying that Mastering Ultra Instinct would result in Goku/ Vegeta surpassing Beerus. (Christmas). Hakai was never used on frieza or goku it was just a small ammount of GoD energy that was overcome. Well, at least in the anime but if the power of the two people fighting is comparable, it will still work, as shown when Goku used it on Zamasu (Goku's hakai is inferior to Beerus's one too). A.Whis is way more powerful than Beerus is. And that was before his power boost. This now includes "You vs" posts as of 29/10/2018; details on why are included in this modpost. Beerus was terrified of a Jiren who wasn’t even showing a hint of his true power does that mean heavily suppressed Jiren > Beerus then? The feat you are talking is a space-time warping feat from what I can see, it is pretty impressive but Majin Buu did a similar thing way back in the Buu Arc (althought that dimension was already connected to Earth), but this time is much more casual too. Could Santa convince Thanos to not rid of half of the population? Weaker characters than them have resisted some form of Hakai. We were given literal, direct statements to it. 1 Attack Dialogues 1.1 Super Attacks 1.2 Meteor Attack 2 Match Dialogues 2.1 Sparking 2.2 Team Dialogues 2.3 Match Reset 2.4 Shenron 3 Miscellaneous Dialogues 3.1 Character Selection 3.2 Intro 3.3 Victory 3.4 Defeat 3.5 Results Screen 4 Navigation An asterisk (*) detonates that character has two different lines. Comments that are memes for the sake of memes will be removed as well. MUI runs out quite fast. Jiren sacrificed and sacrificed every year, more and more of himself. If you ask us how to do it, we'll know you didn't read this. It MIGHT have even surpassed beerus", the picture doesnt mean anything. Within a minute, /u/WWWtron will have assigned you your shiny new flair. @alextheboss: I don't agree with Broly being stronger than LB Jiren, but yeah he's atleast in the same tier. Well, the movie hinted at him having to use 80% to fight Goku, and 100% to stop a universe busting attack. To submit a battle, click the Goku vs Superman (or Doom vs Vader) button above. Use your best judgment. Furthermore, If Beerus was truly capable of destroying anything his reaction to Zeno wouldn’t be like this. He doesn't know exactly when they're coming, but ever since his second run in with Harry and Marv, his house in constantly boobytrapped and he's spent 28 years honing the art of being: HOME ALONE. As with posts, the comments are not a place to promote a political or social agenda. Any posts that do not promote evidence-based debate. @takenstew22: Considering Vegeta alone is stronger than Toppo, and how Goku said full power Broly is “maybe” stronger than Beerus, and how Beerus was finessing multiple gods of destruction at once in the manga, I would say it’s fairly obvious. Ohh and Beerus ain’t no weak link here erase that idea especially while bloodlust with no Hakai restriction. After all Beerus needs to be more powerful Gogeta for Gogeta to be unable to resist his hakai. I think it's pretty evident at this point that Broly is stronger than Beerus. He wouldn't even need Blue, he could easily do it with SSJG and maybe even pull it off in a hard fought battle in SSJ3, and that's if you say MUI Goku and Beerus are equals. Zeno is a being who can erase all of existence in the blink of an eye. Is there anything new from DBS after ToP and the Broly/Gogeta movie? @takenstew22: Well it wasn’t pretty evident to Goku that Broly was stronger than Beerus. There's also Dragon Ball Heroes but that's non-canon. Not saying I agree but people like to bring up the point that Kefla could have killed UI Goku, and while yes this is a fully developed ultra instinct that is leaps and bounds over his previous version, a fusion between Goku and Vegeta would also be leaps and bounds above Kefla especially post ToP fusion between the two. we have never seen beerus at full power but according to the manga him and quitela are strongest of the 12, ultra instinct mastered was implied to have surpassed beerus in a shonen jump magazine but that was never fully executed in the actual episode. As for Gogeta learning UI during the fight, it's too uncertain to consider. Beerus is unquantifiable, but it would be a safe bet to assume he's below Jiren. This isn't his full power and is a showing of feat that jiren nor goku have. Do Goku or Jiren have a counter to Hakai? Goku only became on the same level as Beerus once he got UI. May 1, 2020 - Explore Stacey Green's board "ultra instinct vegito & gogeta", followed by 526 people on Pinterest. ryans Oh hell yes. [–]Jamano-Eridzander 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago (0 children). Broly didn’t reach full power until his fight with SSJ Gogeta. @sup3rn0va: what makes jiren stronger than beerus? Yeah but the manga at least seems more consistent to debate in many aspects (like the shockwave feat, which is much more clear im the manga than in the anime in my opinion), but debating the anime is fine too. They were seriously injuring each other and would've destroyed both U6 and U7 as collateral if the Angels hadn't stepped in. Beerus is undoubtedly weaker than Jiren and Goku and Gogeta is hard to gauge where he would place. A full powered MUI Goku might be an annoyance but Beerus just needs to outlast him. Comments that are a few words and contribute no actual discussion ('lol' or '___ stomps'). 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